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EARTHS CLIMATE LINKED TO JUPITER / SATURN and the SOLAR SYSTEM BARYCENTRE.. Discussion open

TOM MANGO has undergoing research on this topic. Here are a few of his latest graphs showing some key cycles that are open to link to earths climate
His email is
tlmango10@gmail.com




TOMS EXPLANATION..
The first graph is the sixtyoneyear graph which contains equ(3) in orchid.
If we perform peak-to-peak analysis on equ(3) using every fifth peak we will extract a 2208 year (Hallstatt) cycle.
Notice that the Hallstatt has a 144 year wave oscillating on it (second and fourth graphs).
I discovered this wave but I named it after Pierre Bretagnon.
This peak-to-peak analysis simply measures the change expressed in terms of mass.

Now… If we analyze every fifth peak we find there is actually five combinations (not demonstrated in the graphs).
So… There is actually five overlapping Hallstatt cycles produced, each separated by a phase of ~441.6 years (2208 / 5).
One of the five Hallstatt cycles was in agreement with the Damon and Sonnet 14C data.
I chose the one that was in agreement and that is the fourth graph.

The third graph is a climate projection based on the work of others.
Here I’ve made a huge discovery involving the ~1000 year millennial cycle.
In my model minimums advance along a 914 year wave and these minimums re-occur at ~1000 year intervals.
So…. the next minimum scheduled to repeat itself is the Oort minimum, which should happen in 2070.
It was later that I discovered the Bretagnon wave and that the millennial cycle was really 1008 years (144 x 7).

KEEP TUNED for discussion and please feel free to ask tom questions here
His email is
tlmango10@gmail.com

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If you want more detail on the development of these findings. I have a post dedicated to TOM MANGO’s work

here

https://weathercycles.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/following-tom-mango/comment-page-1/#comment-4077

You might have to scroll through the pages

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81 comments on “EARTHS CLIMATE LINKED TO JUPITER / SATURN and the SOLAR SYSTEM BARYCENTRE.. Discussion open

  1. ………. Geoff says:
    ‘… of course the Sun traces a path around the SSB, or a wobble when viewed from side on. What I am saying is the wobble is constant, …’
    ‘… when viewed from side on.’

    How about when viewed from above?
    Does this also mean that you are conceding that the sun actually has a physically
    real side-to-side motion of ~5.931 (~11.862 / 2) years as it races ahead at 486000
    mph???

  2. You are very confused Tom…there is no need to concede anything. Below is my plot of the view from above as its happening right now.

    The side to side motion as you call it is just the inner loop and outer loop motion mainly created by Jupiter and Saturn. Add Uranus and Neptune to the equation and you get extra motion when U/N are together…basis physics at work. The important part for me is the combined U/N effect is almost as strong as Saturn.

    You have to be prepared to take peer review advise when posting a theory online…I am stating the side to side motion doesn’t change when looking out over the long term, once again basic physics that makes it impossible for a driver for Milankovitch cycles.

  3. I am very grateful that you are giving me the review that I need.
    I have already been steered in new directions because of comments made
    in these posts.

    ….. Geoff says:
    ‘… there is no need to concede anything.’
    By not acknowledging basic facts, all related claims become unreachable and
    unverifiable. We do need to concede to known facts just so that we can have
    common ground to stand on.
    ….. Geoff says:
    ‘… I am stating the side to side motion doesn’t change when looking out over
    the long term, …’
    This statement seems to acknowledge the existence of a side-to-side motion
    and that it does have a specific periodicity.
    Looking at the graph above: If we draw vertical lines at 1993 and 2040.5 we
    find that in a ~(2040.5 – 1993) year period, the sun orbited the center ~4 times.
    This verifies the ~11.862242 year orbit of the Sun. Because Jupiter always
    opposes the Sun, Jupiter and the Sun have the same orbital period. Plot the ephemerides out for thousands of years and the orbit of the Sun will approach
    ~11.862242 years.
    ….. Geoff says:
    ‘… The side to side motion as you call it is just the inner loop and outer loop
    motion mainly created by Jupiter and Saturn. Add Uranus and Neptune to the
    equation and you get extra motion when U/N are together…’
    These statements prove just how important direct communication is and just
    how important it is that we concede to the basic facts. Here, Geoff is inferring
    that the orbit of the sun has a period other than ~11.862242 years. If so, he
    should be telling us what that period is, especially if he is trying to connect it to
    a ~172 year U/N beat.
    If Geoff believes that Jupiter is less than 50% of the mass that orbits the sun,
    he has to come right out and say so and not hide behind angular momentum
    calculations. Nasa’s ephemerides are based on a Jupiter that is 72% of the mass
    that orbits the sun. He has to explain why he is using nasa’s data when his own
    data doesn’t even come close to agreeing with it.
    It is very important that he acknowledges that: ‘As the sun races ahead at
    486000 mph, it has a physically real side-to-side motion
    of ~5.931 (~11.862 / 2) years. Otherwise… he invalidates his work and refuses
    to give mine the support I’m trying to force out of him.

  4. I truly believed that if I presented overwhelming evidence
    Geoff would eventually relent. I’ve never taken another
    human-being apart like this. As a Christian I feel ashamed, but I’ve
    never imagined that anyone could be this stubborn.
    Thanks Geoff for hanging in there.

  5. Your problem is that you have not listened to the problems in your calculations. You cannot base movements of the Sun in relation to the centre of mass of the solar system (SSB) on the mass of the outer 4 planets.

    Instead of making up your own incorrect standard you should be using the JPL ephemeris to accurately plot the position of the Sun. If you did so you will see there is no pattern in the solar position in relation to the SSB that remotely lines up with the Milankovitch cycle (100,000 years etc).

    The only repeating pattern in the solar path about the SSB is the 4628 year return of the 4 planets which I have clearly shown using JPL data, and this cycle only affects solar grand minima and has no impact on the distance the Sun travels away from the SSB. You can lead a horse to water…but you cannot make him drink.

  6. And to answer some of your other incorrect statements. There is no 11.86 year side to side movement of the Sun. “Side to side” is an incorrect term as the Sun follows a distinct pattern of outer and inner loops.

    Each loops timing is mainly controlled by the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction/opposition which averages out to 9.9 years, but when Uranus and Neptune are close the timing can change slightly. Any solar path plotting tool displays these facts clearly. (Carsten’s SIM1 tool is a good place to start)

    If you wish to deny the JPL data along with the known movements of the Sun, we can only assume you are creating your own new religion.

  7. Listen guys: if you are insinuating that the sun is producing ”global” warming = you’re WRONG!! SUN NOT GUILTY!!! Earth’s Temperature Self Adjusting Mechanism (ESATM) is brilliant. When the earth gets warmer than normal, for an reason -> troposphere instantly expands and wastes that extra heat; also the vertical winds speed up and take that extra heat few km up, disperse it, to be neutralized by the ”cold vacuum” that is zooming trough the thinner air, every 9 minutes = you are wasting your life, just to introduce extra confusion, to the already confused public… shame, shame…!!

  8. … Stefan says:
    ‘… When the earth gets warmer than normal, for an(y) reason ->’
    Yehhh, like the introduction of heat from the Sun? GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!

    I do completely agree with you about the earth being a self adjusting mechanism.
    It is brilliant, God does good work. And you my friend, are wise enough to see that.

  9. TLMango
    February 4, 2016 @ 2:38 pm

    Jupiter and Saturn are ~93% of the mass orbiting the sun.
    …..Jupiter is ~72% and Saturn is ~21%
    Neptune and Uranus are ~7%
    …..Neptune is ~3.8% and Uranus is ~3.2%
    Neptune is the solar system’s stabilizer with an eccentricity value of ~.0086
    Because of their somewhat equal mass the solar system is more stable when
    Neptune and Uranus are in opposition.
    When they are not in opposition they could cause disorder in the SSB, but only to
    a level that is possible for objects that are only 7% of the mass orbiting the sun.
    The question isn’t whether or not Uranus and Neptune cause disorder in the SSB,
    but rather how large is their contribution.

    The sun is ~850 times more massive than all the objects that orbit it.

    There are many errors but this is perhaps the greatest. It shows a lack of understand ing of the basic Newtonian physics that apply to the two-body system. When calculating the barycentre of two solar system objects (ie Sun/Jupiter) the two main components are Mass AND Distance. The barycentre position determines the amount of solar displacement so must be calculated correctly.

    At present the Sun/Jupiter barycentre (taken in isolation) is just above the surface of the Sun. If we moved Jupiter out to Saturn’s orbit the barycentre position (ie solar displacement) would move out with it. Distance matters. This is why Saturn has a little over half of the Solar displacement value that Jupiter is capable of, but is less than 1/3 the mass of Jupiter…again distance matters.

    Again the solar displacement values:

    Jupiter: 49.16%
    Saturn: 27.06%
    Uranus: 8.31%
    Neptune: 15.41%

    So because of the distance involved Uranus and Neptune have a far greater solar displacement value than the 7% mass value they represent. I think Tom needs to accept these figures, or disprove them before we can move on.

  10. Stefan,
    I read your work on Venus. You have the passion of ten.
    It’s Earth’s self adjusting mechanism that is truly impressive.
    You know the best science is simply common sense and imagination.

  11. I think all motion even helical can be resolved to a linear, directional vector? when expressed as a force
    Newton
    F = m * a
    Force = mass times acceleration

    where a ( acceleration) is the change in velocity over a time period

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration
    “Accelerations are vector quantities (they have magnitude and direction) and add according to the parallelogram law.[2][3] As a vector, the calculated net force is equal to the product of the object’s mass (a scalar quantity) and its acceleration.”

    “An object moving in a circular motion—such as a satellite orbiting the Earth—is accelerating due to the change of direction of motion, although its speed may be constant. In this case it is said to be undergoing centripetal (directed towards the center) acceleration.”
    ——–
    In terms of impacts of the outer planets on earths climate . The major impact is surely the FORCES involved . and what forces… gravity? pressure? ?
    Speed, distance , mass are the components

    TOM
    said
    ” the sun actually has a physically
    real side-to-side motion of ~5.931 (~11.862 / 2) years as it races ahead at 486000
    mph???”
    Tom.. is this motion a component of the solar sun spot cycle? ( ~11.862 yr )
    ( / 2) , the phases of the sun spot cycle?

  12. “… is this motion a component of the solar sunspot cycle? (~11.862 / 2) yr ”

    In our work with the schwabe triplets, we used the sun’s 9.92965612 year
    acceleration/deceleration cycle to estimate the 11 yr schwabe:
    …… (9.92965612 yrs) (10 / 3) = 33.09885373 yrs
    …… 33.09885373 yrs / 3 = 11.03295124 yrs
    It makes sense to use the physical mechanisms we see in the sun and that
    should include the 5.931121 year side-to-side motion.

  13. The first graph at the top of the page contains Equ(3) from
    which we can extract the 2208 year Hallstatt cycle. The 2208
    year Hallstatt cycle is in the second graph. Notice that Equ(3)
    has a slightly irregular period of 11.862242 years oscillating
    on a 60.94838271 year wave.

    If we perform peak-to-peak analysis using every fifth peak of Equ(3)
    beginning at 622 BC, we can extract the Hallstatt cycle that is seen
    in the second graph. What we want to do is simply measure the change.
    This analysis can be reproduced and here is the code that was used to
    measure this change.

    . . Private Sub ExtractHallstatt()
    . . . . Dim First, Second, N As Decimal
    . . . . Dim X As Decimal = (-621D)
    . . . . Dim Jump As Decimal = 11.862242D * 5 – 2
    . . . . Dim Variance As Decimal = 0.000000000000001D
    . . . . Dim Count As Integer = 0
    . . . . Dim Output As String = “”

    . . . . Do While Count Variance
    . . . . . . . . Do While First Second
    . . . . . . . . . . X -= N : Second = Equ3(X) : First = Equ3(X – N)
    . . . . . . . . Loop : N /= 2
    . . . . . . Loop
    . . . . . . Count += 1
    . . . . . . Output &= X & Space(8) & First & vbCrLf
    . . . . . . X += Jump
    . . . . Loop
    . . . . Clipboard.SetText(Output)
    . . . . MessageBox.Show(Output)
    . . End Sub

    . . Private Function Equ3(ByVal Year As Decimal) As Decimal
    . . . . Dim TwoPi As Decimal = 6.2831853071795864769252867672D
    . . . . Dim J_Mass As Decimal = 317.83D
    . . . . Dim S_Mass As Decimal = 95.159D
    . . . . Dim U_Mass As Decimal = 14.536D
    . . . . Dim N_Mass As Decimal = 17.147D
    . . . . Dim J_Eccen As Decimal = 0.04839D
    . . . . Dim S_Eccen As Decimal = 0.054D
    . . . . Dim U_Eccen As Decimal = 0.0472D
    . . . . Dim N_Eccen As Decimal = 0.0086D
    . . . . Dim J_Aphel As Decimal = 2017.147D
    . . . . Dim S_Aphel As Decimal = 2018.1532D
    . . . . Dim U_Aphel As Decimal = 2093.1698D
    . . . . Dim N_Aphel As Decimal = 2124.3321D
    . . . . Dim JS_Align As Decimal = 2020.344D
    . . . . Dim JU_Align As Decimal = 2010.4586D
    . . . . Dim JN_Align As Decimal = 2009.3965D
    . . . . Dim J_Orbit As Decimal = 11.862242D
    . . . . Dim S_Orbit As Decimal = 29.457784D
    . . . . Dim U_Orbit As Decimal = 84.01D
    . . . . Dim N_Orbit As Decimal = 164.79D
    . . . . Dim JS_Synod As Decimal = S_Orbit * J_Orbit / (S_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim JU_Synod As Decimal = U_Orbit * J_Orbit / (U_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim JN_Synod As Decimal = N_Orbit * J_Orbit / (N_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim Amount, Store As Decimal

    . . . . Amount = J_Mass * J_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / J_Orbit) * (Year – J_Aphel))
    . . . . Store = S_Mass * S_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / S_Orbit) * (Year – S_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JS_Synod) * (Year – JS_Align))
    . . . . Store = U_Mass * U_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / U_Orbit) * (Year – U_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JU_Synod) * (Year – JU_Align))
    . . . . Store = N_Mass * N_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / N_Orbit) * (Year – N_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JN_Synod) * (Year – JN_Align))
    . . . . Amount *= (-1)

    . . . . Return Amount
    . . End Function

  14. Oh! No!
    Most of the ‘ExtractHallstatt’ sub got wiped out. Let’s re-enter that.
    The function came out right.

    . . Private Sub ExtractHallstatt()
    . . . . Dim First, Second, N As Decimal
    . . . . Dim X As Decimal = (-621D)
    . . . . Dim Jump As Decimal = 11.862242D * 5 – 2
    . . . . Dim Variance As Decimal = 0.000000000000001D
    . . . . Dim Count As Integer = 0
    . . . . Dim Output As String = “”

    . . . . Do While Count Variance
    . . . . . . . . Do While First Second
    . . . . . . . . . . X -= N : Second = Equ3(X) : First = Equ3(X – N)
    . . . . . . . . Loop : N /= 2
    . . . . . . Loop
    . . . . . . Count += 1
    . . . . . . Output &= X & Space(8) & First & vbCrLf
    . . . . . . X += Jump
    . . . . Loop
    . . . . Clipboard.SetText(Output)
    . . . . MessageBox.Show(Output)
    . . End Sub

  15. Ok!
    It’s the less/than greater/than symbols that are not
    accepted and wiping out the loops. Let’s try again!

    . . Private Sub ExtractHallstatt()
    . . . . Dim First, Second, N As Decimal
    . . . . Dim X As Decimal = (-621D)
    . . . . Dim Jump As Decimal = 11.862242D * 5 – 2
    . . . . Dim Variance As Decimal = 0.000000000000001D
    . . . . Dim Count As Integer = 0
    . . . . Dim Output As String = “”

    . . . . Do While Count [less than symbol] 54
    . . . . . . N = 1D : Second = Equ3(X) : First = Equ3(X – N)
    . . . . . . Do While N [greater than symbol] Variance
    . . . . . . . . Do While First [less than symbol] Second
    . . . . . . . . . . First = Second : X += N : Second = Equ3(X)
    . . . . . . . . Loop : N /= 2
    . . . . . . . . Do While First [greater than symbol] Second
    . . . . . . . . . . X -= N : Second = Equ3(X) : First = Equ3(X – N)
    . . . . . . . . Loop : N /= 2
    . . . . . . Loop
    . . . . . . Count += 1
    . . . . . . Output &= X & Space(8) & First & vbCrLf
    . . . . . . X += Jump
    . . . . Loop
    . . . . Clipboard.SetText(Output)
    . . . . MessageBox.Show(Output)
    . . End Sub

  16. Here’s the accompanying function again so we don’t have
    go back and re-live the data-entry nightmare.

    . . Private Function Equ3(ByVal Year As Decimal) As Decimal
    . . . . Dim TwoPi As Decimal = 6.2831853071795864769252867672D
    . . . . Dim J_Mass As Decimal = 317.83D
    . . . . Dim S_Mass As Decimal = 95.159D
    . . . . Dim U_Mass As Decimal = 14.536D
    . . . . Dim N_Mass As Decimal = 17.147D
    . . . . Dim J_Eccen As Decimal = 0.04839D
    . . . . Dim S_Eccen As Decimal = 0.054D
    . . . . Dim U_Eccen As Decimal = 0.0472D
    . . . . Dim N_Eccen As Decimal = 0.0086D
    . . . . Dim J_Aphel As Decimal = 2017.147D
    . . . . Dim S_Aphel As Decimal = 2018.1532D
    . . . . Dim U_Aphel As Decimal = 2093.1698D
    . . . . Dim N_Aphel As Decimal = 2124.3321D
    . . . . Dim JS_Align As Decimal = 2020.344D
    . . . . Dim JU_Align As Decimal = 2010.4586D
    . . . . Dim JN_Align As Decimal = 2009.3965D
    . . . . Dim J_Orbit As Decimal = 11.862242D
    . . . . Dim S_Orbit As Decimal = 29.457784D
    . . . . Dim U_Orbit As Decimal = 84.01D
    . . . . Dim N_Orbit As Decimal = 164.79D
    . . . . Dim JS_Synod As Decimal = S_Orbit * J_Orbit / (S_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim JU_Synod As Decimal = U_Orbit * J_Orbit / (U_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim JN_Synod As Decimal = N_Orbit * J_Orbit / (N_Orbit – J_Orbit)
    . . . . Dim Amount, Store As Decimal

    . . . . Amount = J_Mass * J_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / J_Orbit) * (Year – J_Aphel))
    . . . . Store = S_Mass * S_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / S_Orbit) * (Year – S_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JS_Synod) * (Year – JS_Align))
    . . . . Store = U_Mass * U_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / U_Orbit) * (Year – U_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JU_Synod) * (Year – JU_Align))
    . . . . Store = N_Mass * N_Eccen * Cos((TwoPi / N_Orbit) * (Year – N_Aphel))
    . . . . Amount += Store * Cos((TwoPi / JN_Synod) * (Year – JN_Align))
    . . . . Amount *= (-1)

    . . . . Return Amount
    . . End Function

  17. The first graph at the top of the page contains Equ(3) from
    which we can extract the 2208 year Hallstatt cycle. The 2208
    year Hallstatt cycle is in the second graph. Notice that Equ(3)
    has a slightly irregular period of 11.862242 years oscillating
    on a 60.94838271 year wave.

    If we perform peak-to-peak analysis using every fifth peak of Equ(3)
    beginning at 622 BC, we can extract the Hallstatt cycle that is seen
    in the second graph. What we want to do is simply measure the change.
    This analysis can be reproduced with this code.

    Here is the output:

    -621.9588205814361572265625 18.5262466930402
    -562.574352479496002197265625 18.7905415532048
    -503.291460407810211181640625 18.5305596523372
    -443.96850362500070104488258947 19.179759870335
    -384.62760136305521635676996081 18.3876647313588
    -325.33897079458902983333246081 18.7371750797742
    -265.97188012508462576533929674 18.5407504256688
    -206.71054395397256521846429674 17.9347887493049
    -147.35158252727573103129543593 18.1089026641024
    -88.03345230927362307284056437 17.2004974188082
    -28.755913211991453204063873224 17.4017174706394
    30.606329811753368344398040838 16.5487036721332
    89.87424088182363506803085334 16.1143109118618
    149.22552976022634502896835334 16.1573063772931
    208.50271075699362751493026740 15.0678527569444
    267.81112328749690052518417365 15.246030387648
    327.15816569258723255643417366 14.4677331759432
    386.39991387380275722989608772 14.4128563703036
    445.75493018827116944066801813 14.176085094068
    505.02862287908232666723051813 13.5155507395455
    564.34288547135985352269926814 14.1317967924033
    623.64961725518858887426176814 13.3980177631547
    682.91545163983023621312895564 13.7540827096281
    742.27999182285941101781645564 13.794185735645
    801.5212588716570184396914556 13.7805923749974
    860.8525178625026986765078618 14.4232208858576
    920.1614502498165414499453618 14.0140355960732
    979.4437387052646920847109868 15.0550130277913
    1038.7849880157200143503359868 15.0622662068389
    1098.0402788229886338876895025 15.3746317130062
    1157.4074777308026597665957525 16.1822841352071
    1216.6859123287335679697207525 16.1221918146184
    1275.9876658134213731455020025 17.1256989949741
    1335.3435075330106065439395025 16.9406965871304
    1394.6124030035916612314395025 17.6865928298445
    1453.9724381483594224619082525 18.1514692129716
    1513.2494646461621568369082525 17.9019979613635
    1572.5964147236577459989348427 18.7935257404161
    1631.9258580238444396673003214 18.4334628011101
    1691.1977284814555236516753214 18.9310360111197
    1750.5802586575800964055815714 18.750466221232
    1809.8557423487574645696440714 18.5789065286912
    1869.1996227274424621282378214 19.0303116724309
    1928.5118560348851272283354776 18.0835832106713
    1987.8187169223744460759917276 18.4367090130884
    2047.1810185933644363103667276 17.897575047853
    2106.4326606650502273259917276 17.5145259665045
    2165.8015286221272536931792276 17.3738657725648
    2225.0988620647770950017729776 16.4516168495066
    2284.3977406982380935369292276 16.7454047807457
    2343.7367241977269241033354776 15.6773658865075
    2403.0056498282582351384917276 15.4751093963327
    2462.3680416214711257634917276 15.2963217738134
    2521.6214293939930984197417276 14.4718362197706

  18. The spaces between the two columns got wiped out.
    But we can still see the Year on the left ranging from
    622 BC to 2521 AD. The Hallstatt cycle in the second
    graph is expressed in terms of mass. So the data in
    column two is Mass ranging from 13.39 to 19.17

    The most amazing thing about Equ(3) is that when we
    extract the 2208 year short cycle, we also see the 2313
    year long cycle. Notice the two peaks at 444 BC and
    1869 AD, there are maximums of 19.0303 and 19.1797

    443.9685 + 1869.1996 = 2313.1681

    • this post is the best horoscope for the day… bravo!
      YOU SHOULD BRUSH UP ON WHAT CLIMATE IS: -”there is no such a thing as ‘’earth’s global climate’’ – there are many INDEPENDENT different MICRO CLIMATES 1] Alpine climate 2] Mediterranean climate, 3] sea- level climate 4] high altitude climate 5] temperate climates 6] subtropical climate, 7] tropical climate 8] desert climate 9] rainforest climates 10] wet climate 11] dry climate, as in desert AND THEY KEEP CHANGING; wet climate gets dry occasionally b] even rains in the desert sometimes and improves. In the tropics is wet and dry -/- in subtropics and temperate climates changes four time a year, WITH EVERY season= migratory birds can tell you that; because they know much more about climate than all the Warmist foot-solders and all climate skeptics combined – on the polar caps climates change twice a year. Leading Warmist know that is no ”global warming” so they encompassed ”climatic changes” to confuse and con the ignorant – so that when is some extreme weather for few days on some corner of the planet, to use it as proof of their phony global warming and ignore that the weather is good simultaneously on the other 97% of the planet, even though is same amount of co2. In other words, they used the trick as: -”if you want to sell that the sun is orbiting around the earth -> you encompass the moon – present proofs that the moon is orbiting around the earth and occasionally insert that: the sun and moon rise from same place and set to the west, proof that the ”sun is orbiting around the earth” AND the trick works, because the Flat-Earthers called ”climate skeptics” are fanatically supporting 90% of the Warmist lies. Bottom line: if somebody doesn’t believe that on the earth climate exist and constantly changes, but is no global warming -> ”climate skeptic” shouldn’t be allowed on the street, unless accompanied by an adult. b] many micro-climates and they keep changing, but no such a thing as ”global climate”

  19. Hi Stefan,
    It’s good to hear from you again.

    ” Tom, to save yourself time; there are only winter / summer cycles, day
    night cycles and Paris Hilton’s menstrual cycle. ”Global” warming or
    cooling cycles don’t exist in real, because: any variation in radiation
    created by the sun – is handled easy, by the ”Earth’s Temperature Self
    Adjusting Mechanism (ETSAM)” -handy example is, because of elliptical
    orbit, the planet is closer to the sun in southern summer, BUT doesn’t
    get any warmer planet, not one bit. ” . . . Stefan . . . January 11,2016

    Stefan,
    I agree completely that climate is a self adjusting mechanism. But talk
    about horoscopes, how can you know that something does not exist?
    How do you prove the negative? What existed and no longer exists?
    What will exist and doesn’t exist now? Sounds like you rely too heavily
    on your psychic powers. Stefanthepsychic?

    Your theory of a self adjusting system is a good one that stands on
    its own merit. Why undermine great theory with psychic omnipotence?
    Maybe reconsider what geologists have to say about past events?
    And take another look at isotopes? You don’t have to believe every
    thing that’s published or give up your common sense.

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